HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Who won the Kasperi Kapanen trade?

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HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Who won the Kasperi Kapanen trade?
- ToddCordellVAN

Dubas fleeced Rutherford. Kapanen is a decent winger. But he's not worth 15th overall in a deep Draft. Dubas will parlay this pick into a top 4 defenseman.

the Leafs clearly won but thank you for not asking Tanner.

That is a fantastic return fora 3rd liner. (And yes, I get he'll have a bigger role in Pittsbugh, but isn't it the Leafs that have no depth with 40 million on 4 forwards?)

Dubas fleeced Rutherford. Kapanen is a decent winger. But he's not worth 15th overall in a deep Draft. Dubas will parlay this pick into a top 4 defenseman.

Yes this pick and Johnsson could con conceivably get them, say a Matt Dumba or Shayne Gostisbehere plus a 3rd, you get the idea.....a very good move for da Leafs

Pens.

They got a good young top 9 player, the leafs got a lottery ticket.

Pens.

They got a good young top 9 player, the leafs got a lottery ticket.
- OzBolts

Agreed, and in 2 years they can trade him at the deadline for a comparable pick. This was a smart move for a win-now team.

Leafs using that 15th pick to draft Askarov???? Their prospects are weak, and Freddy only has one more year inked......

Pens.

They got a good young top 9 player, the leafs got a lottery ticket.
- OzBolts

2 tickets really. And the first can be used to get better now

Marleau, kapenen, 16th for the 15th seems like a good trade.

Rutherford clearly overpaid. Everything I've read says that Dubas has been offering Kapanen for a 1st for a while and no one would bite besides Rutherford. So if the Leafs wanted a 1st, they shouldve taken a cap hit they could've buried instead of us throwing in a prospect. that makes no sense lol.

It's a high risk trade for Rutherford with some reward. If Kapanen shows a strong ability to play with Crosby or Malkin, thats a win given his speed, contract, and age. but if he doesnt gel like a lot of other players have, Rutherford gave a lot away for nothing.

Just bad asset management for the Penguins IMO. Gave a way an overvalued pick for a young player, which is good, but def didnt get enough to make it worthwhile as of now.

I expected a Murray for Kapanen swap and Anderson traded for something else.

Sabres fan here, I hate to say it but y'all took Rutherford to town.

E-Rod is better than he gets credit for as well.

Rutherford did not win this trade, but he certainly is helping the Pens to close their window

Pens -- Kapanen can be a 30 goal 60 point guy in Pittsburgh if employed correctly. Warsofsky, Rodrigues are AHLers and Hallander was a prospect that fell out of favour with Pens management as he's been problematic in Sweden. The draft is a crap shoot especially after the first couple picks, you aren't guaranteed to get a 50+ point NHLer and that's what Kapanen is at the least. I'm not a fan of the Pens giving up a 1st rounder for Kapanen but if they can slot him next to Sid or Geno he could be the player many expected him to grow into as he was shackled in Toronto


He just turned 24, still young, bookmark this for when he scoring 30 and bagging 60+ points in Pittsburgh

Hmm, really thinking that Evan Rodrigues isn't a guy the Leafs really need.

I highly suspect that he was thrown into the deal in order to give Penguins contract space.

Brandxbeer138 said:

Marleau, kapenen, 16th for the 15th seems like a good trade.

Marleau, KapAnen, 16th for the 15th and Mitch Marner seems much better.

Pens -- Kapanen can be a 30 goal 60 point guy in Pittsburgh if employed correctly. Warsofsky, Rodrigues are AHLers and Hallander was a prospect that fell out of favour with Pens management as he's been problematic in Sweden. The draft is a crap shoot especially after the first couple picks, you aren't guaranteed to get a 50+ point NHLer and that's what Kapanen is at the least. I'm not a fan of the Pens giving up a 1st rounder for Kapanen but if they can slot him next to Sid or Geno he could be the player many expected him to grow into as he was shackled in Toronto


He just turned 24, still young, bookmark this for when he scoring 30 and bagging 60+ points in Pittsburgh
- Komisaurus Rex

Imagine that, you throwing shade at the Leafs.

Pens -- Kapanen can be a 30 goal 60 point guy in Pittsburgh if employed correctly. Warsofsky, Rodrigues are AHLers and Hallander was a prospect that fell out of favour with Pens management as he's been problematic in Sweden. The draft is a crap shoot especially after the first couple picks, you aren't guaranteed to get a 50+ point NHLer and that's what Kapanen is at the least. I'm not a fan of the Pens giving up a 1st rounder for Kapanen but if they can slot him next to Sid or Geno he could be the player many expected him to grow into as he was shackled in Toronto


He just turned 24, still young, bookmark this for when he scoring 30 and bagging 60+ points in Pittsburgh
- Komisaurus Rex

He palyed with Matthews and couldn't do that. He lacks finish. This is a hell ofa lot for a 3rd liner.
And doesn't Leafs lack depth for spending 40 million on 4 forwards? Now their 3rd liner is on the Pens first line..

Rutherford clearly overpaid. Everything I've read says that Dubas has been offering Kapanen for a 1st for a while and no one would bite besides Rutherford. So if the Leafs wanted a 1st, they shouldve taken a cap hit they could've buried instead of us throwing in a prospect. that makes no sense lol.

It's a high risk trade for Rutherford with some reward. If Kapanen shows a strong ability to play with Crosby or Malkin, thats a win given his speed, contract, and age. but if he doesnt gel like a lot of other players have, Rutherford gave a lot away for nothing.

Just bad asset management for the Penguins IMO. Gave a way an overvalued pick for a young player, which is good, but def didnt get enough to make it worthwhile as of now.

I expected a Murray for Kapanen swap and Anderson traded for something else.
- SuperHenderson13

I got a text from a buddy saying that the Leafs were trading Kapanen to Pittsburgh. My response to him was "for Murray", followed up by I hope it's a packaged deal with Andersen. I was surprised at the return and for the record I think this is a win-win deal for both teams. Especially if Kapanen can show some consistent finishing ability.

Marleau, kapenen, 16th for the 15th seems like a good trade.
- brandxbeer138

Doesn't quite work that way. They extended a young star to move Marleau, who is 40 and finished.

Pens -- Kapanen can be a 30 goal 60 point guy in Pittsburgh if employed correctly. Warsofsky, Rodrigues are AHLers and Hallander was a prospect that fell out of favour with Pens management as he's been problematic in Sweden. The draft is a crap shoot especially after the first couple picks, you aren't guaranteed to get a 50+ point NHLer and that's what Kapanen is at the least. I'm not a fan of the Pens giving up a 1st rounder for Kapanen but if they can slot him next to Sid or Geno he could be the player many expected him to grow into as he was shackled in Toronto


He just turned 24, still young, bookmark this for when he scoring 30 and bagging 60+ points in Pittsburgh
-Komisaurus Rex

Bookmarked.

Kap certainly has speed, he has flashes of tenacity, some skills, and a hawt gf...

... but he's also a headcase who disappears for long stretches (including practices) and has never performed in NHL pressure situations.

The Leafs needed to unload a salary and he wasn't performing anywhere near the contract's expectations. The 15th pick can be flipped in a deal to go further up in the draft or as part of a package to bring in a solid Top 4 defender.

The jury is still out on Filip Hallander but, at only 20 years old, the idea that he's "fallen out of favour" with management seems like an outrageously quick assessment. His ELC, which has been pushed a year, will end up being less than league minimum. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal with loads of upside and with little risk associated.

Imagine that, you throwing shade at the Leafs.
- Kinger34

I'm not throwing shade. I'm looking at it from a realistic standpoint. As of right now the Pens got the best player in the deal. If the guy you draft at 15 isn't an NHLer that produces more than Kappy then it's a heist for Rutherford

Doesn't quite work that way. They extended a young star to move Marleau, who is 40 and finished.
- RogerRoeper

Yeah but he roller blades in his house.

Hmm, really thinking that Evan Rodrigues isn't a guy the Leafs really need.

I highly suspect that he was thrown into the deal in order to give Penguins contract space.
- TheMussel

He's an RFA, so the Penguins could have simply not extended him an offer.

I suspect the Leafs are going to tell him he can forget about a qualifying offer, but if he wants to play for his childhood team, he can do that for $1M.

I'm not throwing shade. I'm looking at it from a realistic standpoint. As of right now the Pens got the best player in the deal. If the guy you draft at 15 isn't an NHLer that produces more than Kappy then it's a heist for Rutherford
- Komisaurus Rex

A few days ago, if you had told anyone that the Leafs would get a mid-1st round pick for Kapanen you would have been laughed at.

You are absolutely throwing shade. Own it.